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Rio Ups Surveillance While Pointing at USA

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PeterJ
PeterJ  
10/28/2013 2:57:15 PM
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Re: Surveillance The Tip Of The Iceberg
Yes, Pablo - I view it the same way. It is interesting that we have the ability to track all of these highly technical communications, yet we can't get our healthcare website to work!

Mary Jander
Mary Jander  
10/28/2013 1:14:07 PM
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Well, given the inequality and other problems in Brazil, it is interesting to see that country come down so hard on the US.

As for Turkey, I'm still absorbing what Rich reported last week. I find I can't trust a government that rules so strongly against the environment to act fairly when it comes to surveillance.

Pablo Valerio
Pablo Valerio  
10/28/2013 1:02:43 PM
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Re: Surveillance The Tip Of The Iceberg
Surely, calling in the ambassadors isn't quite a slap on the wrist. It screams "international incident."

@Mary, I believe that, if the situtaion is so serious as our governments claim, Germany, France and Spain should recall "for consultation" their ambassadors in the US, not just asking the US amabassadors for explanations.. That is an international incident!

Back to Rio and Brazil, the fact that countries such as Mexico, Turkey and Brazil are investing in street surveillance is significant. They want o be able to respond to citizen's unrest fast. While Brazil has been praised for their economic success in recent times, the inequality is still high, and people are not happy seeing the rich getting richer.

Turkey is an example of contradiction: while they still want to join the European Union (I don't believe it will happen in my lifetime) they continue to curb basic freedoms and pass controversial laws. No wonder they also want to "control" their population.

 

Mary Jander
Mary Jander  
10/28/2013 12:47:01 PM
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Re: Surveillance The Tip Of The Iceberg
Surely, calling in the ambassadors isn't quite a slap on the wrist. It screams "international incident."

Perhaps the upshot to the complaints will be an NSA investigation. But who would be in charge of conducting that?

Pablo Valerio
Pablo Valerio  
10/28/2013 12:02:10 PM
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@Peter, thank you for your comments. I didn't eant this blog to be a discussion about US surveillace but, since the cat is out, I'd like to offer my two cents.

The main difference between the US and other countries is resources. The NSA and other agencies have ammassed over the years the most powerful machine in the world to monitor and analyze worldwide communications.

And they claims is legal! that's the crazy thing about it.

Pablo Valerio
Pablo Valerio  
10/28/2013 11:57:31 AM
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Re: Surveillance The Tip Of The Iceberg
@kqy4ym, you're right about this.

What makes me really mad is that European countries are "calling in" the US ambassadors to demand "explanations", sort of a slap on the hand, instead of furiously defending their citizens' right to privacy.

What is necessary is to investigate how the NSA is collecting data, prosecute any company -including telecoms and internet- and make the necessary steps to block any foreign surveillance.

Otherwise the governments "complaining" about it become accomplices of the US and UK spying thier own citizens.

PeterJ
PeterJ  
10/28/2013 11:43:39 AM
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Indeed, Mary. One thing that I don't think flies anymore, though, is the response, "Everyone else is doing it." Bringing it back to technology, too, is the capacity for the US to be performing this widespread and worldwide surveillance. I do think the Angela Merkel case present additional headaches for the US. Now, if they find out President Obama's Blackberry was being monitored, then that's another story. But then again, who's still using a Blackberry??

PeterJ
PeterJ  
10/28/2013 11:35:29 AM
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I agree with your points, @kq4ym. It does seem to be a complicated relationship, and the additional leaks as to the scope of US surveillance in recent days probably compounds that. There are also larger US business relationships at stake with Brazil, so I think it adds to these political events.

Mary Jander
Mary Jander  
10/28/2013 10:30:54 AM
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Regarding other countries, I think you're right, @kq4ym. I'm not sure those other countries haven't been using even stronger monitoring than the US.

The US, having been everyone's punching bag for many years -- with some good reason -- continues to be so. It's partlly because the US is so successful in so many areas, partly because more is expected of it, given its hubris.

Kind of like the great Muhammad Ali: Everyone criticized him, but you couldn't say he wasn't what he told us -- the greatest. Still, there were the last bouts. Hopefully, we're not seeing that in America yet.

kq4ym
kq4ym  
10/28/2013 8:57:27 AM
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Surveillance The Tip Of The Iceberg
While Brazil and the U.S. have had an uneasy alliance for decades, it would only make sense that Brazil would cancel the upcoming meeting. As South America's largest country, it's a big trade rival, and tariff and other matters have been long standing stumbling blocks between the two countries for a long time.

While Brazil is going big time with surveillance and indicating it's not doing what the U.S. does, I'd not be too sure. If the U.S. starts the trend of monitioring communications, what's to keep other countries, and Brazil from following suit? I woulnd't hold my breath for too long, thinking the U.S. is the only country bridging the lines of personal privacy.

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