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sunshine
sunshine  
7/23/2014 5:19:36 AM
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Re: Optimism
Davedgreat2000,

We can't talk about Gaza City being a 'sustainable' city when it's being wastefully destroyed day by day. The first step to sustainability has to be teaching both sides to live together.

You don't believe people putting pressure on their governments and big corporations will work? You seem to be a man who believes the gun will provide a solution, but consider this.....

There comes a time when everyone has to talk rather than fight

The British had to talk and make peace with the Zionist 'terrorist' Menachem Begin (which of course started the problem we now have)

The white South African government had to talk and make peace with the ANC 'terrorist' Nelson Mandela

The British government had to talk and make peace with the IRA 'terrorists' Martin McGuiness and Gerry Adams.

The Israeli government will have to talk with the 'terrorist' leaders of Hamas it's only a matter of time. Let's all work to making it sooner rather than later and start by seeing both sides of the argument.

Davedgreat2000
Davedgreat2000  
7/22/2014 5:51:15 PM
User Rank Urban Legend
Re: Optimism
@Sunshine, they do lack leadership. They also lack a basic understanding of leadership. When they elect HAMAS, thats a true lack of real leadership.

I understand people just want to be left alone to raise there families in peace. Heck, I want the same for my family. I want to be free to work, to spend my time freely and to spend my money the way I want to and need to.

Hamas has brought this upon the people they say they serve. Its not right, but I do know Israel has a right to defend themselves. Just like we in the United States, Europe, England, or any other Nation has the same Right.

I dont sign Petitions I dont believe will do any good. Nor do I sign them, when i dont believe in them.

I know I sound bad, I may even be wrong in my views. But I have been to war, I have been to the Middle East, I have seen my friends get shot and some died. I have been wounded in war myself. Maybe I have a different view than you do.

But this site is not a place to discuss this topic. only the fact that Gaza was looking at creating a Sustainable City. Thats what we should focus on.

Sorry for the Rant, Kim and all.

sunshine
sunshine  
7/22/2014 3:09:14 PM
User Rank Urban Legend
Re: Optimism
Davedgreat2000 it's not leadership they lack, and Kim it's always good to look for a bright spot in a crisis but I don't think you've found it.

Were it not so tragic the situation would be laughable. An alien from another planet would be totally perplexed that the same species could behave in such ways. The same species controls its fellow humans by creating walls, preventing movement, controlling water supplies, bombing its neighbour, and attacking each other with guns and missiles. Such is the insanity of the human species.  

This madness only continues because of the support given by other countries and international companies.

The Master's Thesis linked to the article perpetuates this madness by predicating its hypothesis on the current situation of separate states.

Imagine a man banging his head against a wall and being advised by a doctor to put a dressing and bandage around his head, while ignoring the head-banging. The situation is even worse today than in 2012 when the thesis was written. Head-banging taken to a new level; taking the heads of children and banging those against the wall as well. 500 Palestinians killed in the latest conflict, 125 of them children.

Israel has created the biggest open prison in the world 1.8 million people trapped in an area 6km by 45km. The whole of the Gaza Strip has a population density of over 3,000 people per square kilometre. In Gaza City alone 4000 people per square kilometre (10,500 per square mile). So when the Israelis give warnings for the citizens to move clear there is nowhere to go.

The brightest spot for me is that the world is appalled by the actions of Hamas, and more importantly Israel's tactics. Over a million people around the world have signed a petition for world leaders and corporations to stop the funding and support which allows this madness to continue. Why not join them?

https://secure.avaaz.org/en/israel_palestine_this_is_how_it_ends_rb/

kq4ym
kq4ym  
7/16/2014 8:58:06 AM
User Rank Urban Legend
Re: Optimism
I can't even imagine the difficulties and stress residents of these problem areas are feeling. And how they can carry on with planning for the future when events happening 'in the now' are so unpredictable.

Resurgent phoenix
Resurgent phoenix  
7/15/2014 7:19:17 AM
User Rank City Slicker
Peace
I pray for peace in that region. I saw a movie about a city in Palestine. The story was about a cab driver trying to get a better job and the serendipitous way he obtained a birthday present for his daughter. At one point he yelled, "why is everyone carrying guns openly". I pray for peace in that region and everywhere.

Kim Davis
Kim Davis  
7/14/2014 2:07:18 PM
User Rank Staff
Re: Optimism
Terry--thanks.  I just find it interesting to look for traces of normality and constructive thought beyond the headlines.

Kim Davis
Kim Davis  
7/14/2014 2:06:37 PM
User Rank Staff
Re: Optimism
The crisis in leadership is acknowledged in the thesis I cited.  It's by no means clear that the official authority is in any position to call the shots on what does and doesn't get developed.

Davedgreat2000
Davedgreat2000  
7/14/2014 9:18:45 AM
User Rank Urban Legend
Re: Optimism
I belive they have vision, they have a vision of a city that is built up and clean and energy efficient. What they lack is true leadership. they lack the leadership to get this done and to bring in money and technology to build the city of the future.

Besides who is going to invest in a country that fires rockets into another country, and gets bombed in retaliation? Not me

Terry Sweeney
Terry Sweeney  
7/13/2014 9:41:18 PM
User Rank Blogger
Re: Optimism
Thanks for a welcome changeup on a topic better known for evoking dread and animosity, Kim. I'd like to think at some point in the not too distant future, these grand plans can be discussed more, improved on and put into action.

Here's a prayer for peace throughout the region in the meantime.

Kim Davis
Kim Davis  
7/11/2014 3:14:56 PM
User Rank Staff
Optimism
The optimism that businesses can be started, and solutions to problems can be found, is remarkable impressive.  One can't underestimate the political obstacles.

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