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Turn Out the Lights – Including LEDs

James Byrne, Sustainability Advisor
Wednesday, June 18, 2014 16:00 EDT

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Davedgreat2000
Davedgreat2000  
7/9/2014 2:55:35 PM
User Rank Urban Legend
Re: Lights
@ Kq4ym, I say no lights means more crime because people tend to sneak about more in the dark when they dont want to be seen or recognized. Its easier to hide in the dark than when lights are on. I feel that lights make people feel safer because you may see whats coming.

While I agree with what you are saying, would you walk down a dark alley in the middle of the night by yourself with no flashlight or lights what so ever?

having street lights or not having them is a fear and safety factor.

We can install streetlights that turn off or dim when no one is around that would save energy and make the streets a bit safer for people to walk on.

Just my opinion really

kq4ym
kq4ym  
7/9/2014 9:25:19 AM
User Rank Urban Legend
Re: Lights
The "no lights" means "more crime" has turned out to be a fallacy. Studies have shown that having street lights does not reduce crime at all. Of course ironically, one of the prime arguments for installing street lights has always been to reduce crime. And, based on the fear factor, it does seem to be an excellent motivator to get folks to buy into the argument.

CitySolver
CitySolver  
6/30/2014 11:24:35 AM
User Rank Blogger
Health and light
Hi Resurgent Pheonix, I had not seen that article but now I have! Yes its incredible what early days we are in when it comes to our awareness of light and health. We know about light pollution but not many understand how light is effecting our sleep. Perhaps doctors should be made aware so they do not dish out sleeping pills when all a person may need is balck out curtains!!

Resurgent phoenix
Resurgent phoenix  
6/29/2014 12:05:20 PM
User Rank City Slicker
Re: Health benefits
There is an excellent article in the June 14, 2014 issue of the Economist that speaks about light and it's effects on human Health. Some highlights are it influences sleep patterns, affects moods and depression, deceives our brains, impacts our circadian system, makes adults lethargic and kids hyperactive......basically it affects quality and length of life.

CitySolver
CitySolver  
6/27/2014 2:16:40 PM
User Rank Blogger
Fines
Hi New Dream. This is an issue I had not given enough thought to. Especially in the US where the litigation culture is so big. I suppose the ordinances that could work would be on public lighting. Private shop owners etc I agree could become a headache when trying to enforce. I will say one thing these ordinances do progress our response to light pollution and get the public and private sector thinking. Maybe we need to start with design codes with ordinances built into their use. Motion sensor lighting could be better for shops as it would only light up when people walked by, so displays could still be seen but lights would be off for much of the time. Its a tough issue. I only hope it becomes taken more seriously as we develop and revitalise our urban areas.

NewDream
NewDream  
6/27/2014 10:38:44 AM
User Rank Urban Legend
Re: Filters
I don't agree, City Solver, that "lighting ordinances like France's are a foolproof way to cut out the light pollution problem all together wherever possible." In my experience, ordinances of any kind are not at all foolproof. The likely result is an increase in fines or even jail occupancy rather than a change in what people do.

NewDream
NewDream  
6/27/2014 10:34:25 AM
User Rank Urban Legend
Re: I would rather infrared LEDs.
I thought the whole point was to provide illumination for people walking. Infrared LEDs wouldn't help there.

NewDream
NewDream  
6/27/2014 10:32:31 AM
User Rank Urban Legend
Re: Lights
It sounds like the city will become a light show, with the ilumination following movement of the people to create a panorama of wildly varying lightscapes. While the effect may be fun in a museum or night club, I'm not sure it's the way to go for a whole city.

Susan Leach
Susan Leach  
6/24/2014 9:18:06 AM
User Rank Blogger
Re: Lights
Hi Davedgreat, that's a good question. It's part of a whole revamp of the street which includes a bunch of elements and I don't know the cost. But the reduced energy consumption would be an attractive way to recoup some of the initial outlay.

Davedgreat2000
Davedgreat2000  
6/24/2014 9:09:32 AM
User Rank Urban Legend
Re: Lights
Susan, do you know how much its going to cost the city to install these lights?

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