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Energy Apps for the Neighborhood

James Byrne, Sustainability Advisor
Thursday, April 24, 2014 16:30 EDT

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CitySolver
CitySolver  
5/2/2014 7:33:03 AM
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schools as test beds?
Hi Sunshine, sorry for late replies I have been ill. Gizmos are useless in themselves agreed. Maybe then smart meters and energy should be introduced in schools under geography. A high school project using smart meters seems a way to embed the benefits of these technologies into young people who will then know how to read them and act aupon them. I feel though that as enegy prices rise it will produce a groundswell of interest in actually engaging in saving energy so maybe the market will force people to educte themselves!!

CitySolver
CitySolver  
5/2/2014 7:29:04 AM
User Rank Blogger
smart meters
Kq4ym, Without sounding like a walking cliche, meters are only part of the answer. Smart design is very important. Why reduce personal energy use if you still have no insulation or air tight windows etc. But education and action do start at home and maybe smart meters can help here.

CitySolver
CitySolver  
5/2/2014 7:26:41 AM
User Rank Blogger
knowledge is power
I agree REsurgent Pheonix. Knowldege and education are better than being in the dark, metaphorically or in reality (power cuts!)

CitySolver
CitySolver  
5/2/2014 7:24:52 AM
User Rank Blogger
remote readings versus intermittent
I understand what you are saying about data being used by companies, however evene with traditional meter readings in person, that data is still beign recorded unless you pay via (estimated readings in th UK). I cannot see that energy data however can do much harm. I mean who really cares if a company knows your enegy use pattern, is it surely not more important that as a society we work together to reduce our consumption? Surely smart meters make it easier for people to do this??

CitySolver
CitySolver  
5/2/2014 7:20:47 AM
User Rank Blogger
energy and health
Yes, Energy is so important and this is why historically in the UK it was publically owned (years ago!) I think that with private companies running it all, it does mean people can shop around yes, but they are more likely to be let down in my opinion as profits always get to the top of teh priority list no matter what legislation says.

CitySolver
CitySolver  
5/2/2014 7:18:44 AM
User Rank Blogger
community based
This is an interesting viewpoint. Contracts are going to be difficult to write up if the energy is so fluid in terms of it being managed at community level. Is there a social obligation we are missing here in terms of household energy versus externally managed energy flows. As you say, turning off the power in a co gen situation or even just in  the community ecosystem energy model leaves alot of questions as to who foots the bill of people over use and others are effected. Can we really impose a community model or should individual punishment (ie turning off individual houses) be the only way power companies can influence the community. I personally see more good coming out of this than bad, but it will have to be implimented carefully and openly if people are going to trust energy companies. Here in teh UK we are miles from this as we have been overcharged recently with energy cartels seemingly fixing markets and prices and services are far from great.

CitySolver
CitySolver  
5/2/2014 7:11:42 AM
User Rank Blogger
positive management
Hi Newdream, yes this is a good point. If homes are connected it is much easier to remotely benefit households that are cut off. Maybe surplus energy could be given away to those in need (ie in deprived areas, free or reduced electricity). I dont know, that could be too utopian but there has to be positive ways that this energy ecosystem can help others.

 

NewDream
NewDream  
4/29/2014 7:42:42 AM
User Rank Urban Legend
Re: Community-based
Power companies already refrain from disconnects when heat is needed, I think. In face, the smart meters give them the opportunity to turn ON the power for those in need, in emergency situations.

sunshine
sunshine  
4/29/2014 7:06:19 AM
User Rank Urban Legend
Re: Community-based
Well, only that you are unlikely to die if you lose internet or phone connection but you could die if you are old and frail and your heating is turned off in mid-winter. The physical presence does allow time to assess the situation.

NewDream
NewDream  
4/29/2014 6:24:25 AM
User Rank Urban Legend
Re: Community-based
It is always a challenge to determine how much capability should be permitted to a utility company. Should they be able to turn off the power remotely? Consider this: they certainly must have already had the authority to turn off the power for nonpayment, by sending someone to the property to disconnect the meter. Is there any additional protection for the consumer if the disconnect can be performed without a physical presence?

Phone companies and Internet Service Providers have been able to turn off the connection for a long time. Is it really that different that the same capability is available for the power company?

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