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The World Cup: Other Reasons Brazil Isn't Happy

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Toby
Toby  
7/15/2014 9:36:45 AM
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Re: Sports
@Kim: I sort of agree re sports. They are important for a great many rarely recognized reasons above and beyond pure entertainment. Sadly, like much that it touches, sport has been badly tainted by Lucre and is spoiling steadily.

Toby
Toby  
7/15/2014 9:36:45 AM
User Rank Urban Legend
Re: Sports
@Kim: I sort of agree re sports. They are important for a great many rarely recognized reasons above and beyond pure entertainment. Sadly, like much that it touches, sport has been badly tainted by Lucre and is spoiling steadily.

Resurgent phoenix
Resurgent phoenix  
7/15/2014 7:04:41 AM
User Rank City Slicker
Sport
I wonder if they had debates like this in Rome or Greece in the ancient times.

gagnamstyle
gagnamstyle  
7/15/2014 12:53:27 AM
User Rank Burgher
Re: Who here watched THE WORLD CUP???
Kim, you make a great point about viability of boycotts. Done too often and applied too broadly they lose their power to change the course of events and become merely symbolic.

In reading through the excellent comments, I come back to the original inspiration of this post. That there is a grey of a negotiated agreement that bridges the distance between the black of complete boycott and the white of bending over backwards to accomodate. 

There is, undoubtedly, some disbenefit that accrues to a host society / nation / city when a mega-event like the world cup comes to town. But does that mean we stop having events like this or does it mean a sustainable, workable bargain, between the citizenry and the state such that both get a little and give a little. 

What struck me on my Brazil trip was the lack of much for the common citizen. 

Davedgreat2000
Davedgreat2000  
7/14/2014 2:40:59 PM
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Re: Who here watched THE WORLD CUP???
@Kim, I agree with you on that. We as a society have to figure out what is more important to us paying some big time sports star or movie star 10's of millions of dollars or spending that money on our Cities and people who need it the most. I fear entertainment value is more important to some than helping out our fellow man/woman/children

Kim Davis
Kim Davis  
7/14/2014 2:14:08 PM
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Re: Who here watched THE WORLD CUP???
Can we choose to boycot any of the games, sure like we choose to boycott Walmart or a T.V. Station for being Biased.

There are probably things much more worth boycotting than soccer games.

Kim Davis
Kim Davis  
7/14/2014 2:13:09 PM
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Sports
I think it's often hard for people who aren't sports fans to perceive the symbolic, and often practical, importance of sports to enormous numbers of people.  One rarely hears as much doubt expressed when it comes to art and culture--of which sports are really just a part. I suspect Leonel Messi, George Clooney, or Lady Gaga are probably responsible for less harm to economies and people's welfare than certain bank executives.

The question of why some people are paid such exorbitant sums for their labor--be it athletes, actors, or the CEOs of failing companies--is certainly interesting. The simple answer is that it's the market rate. A more complicated answer would involve examining alternatives to the market rate.

Davedgreat2000
Davedgreat2000  
7/14/2014 9:34:48 AM
User Rank Urban Legend
Who here watched THE WORLD CUP???
So how many of you who have posted, have watched "THE WORLD CUP" this year or have attended a World Cup Match at some point in your life? How many of you Watch your local sports team either in person or on T.V.?

I watched it, and i'm proud of Team USA for getting as far as they did. Did I contribute to the deaths of anyone building the Stadium's or have anything to do with the migrant workers conditions, NO. I have no control over that. Heck I can only control myself and what my family does. I chose to watch the Sports because for us its fun to watch and its an excape from the daily grind of work/home life.

Can we choose to boycot any of the games, sure like we choose to boycott Walmart or a T.V. Station for being Biased.

We live in a Nation of Laws (The United States), I'm sure that FIFA did the same thing. Does the game bring in money for the host Nation? YES! Through advertising, selling of Hotels, Airfare, Tee Shirts and the local Tourist trap places. The games itself through FIFA may not provide any money to the Host Nation, but that is the fault of the Host Nation for Poor Negotiation skills.

Qutar, is weathly beyond belief, I read somewhere that the Poorest Qutary is a millionaire...has something like $3 million in the bank...if that city doesnt make money off these so be it. Its sad that we live in a world that values the game or actors more than its own people, education system, homeless or joblessness (to name a few). But that is the reality in which we live in. We care more about the game than we do about other people.

Now if Brazil who hosts the Olympics soon, decides to build new roads, public transportation, schools, medical facilities etc...that would be very helpful but a little too late for most Brazillians who lost it all. Brazil has the chance to change their country if they so choose to with the coming Olympics.

 

Toby
Toby  
7/14/2014 5:04:45 AM
User Rank Urban Legend
The puzzle
It is a serious puzzle to me how a country that is usually as right-minded as Brazil on so many issues can make such a series of terrible decisions when it comes to Football. But perhaps not. It is good to hear other feel the same. But will the Brazillians wake up?

sunshine
sunshine  
7/11/2014 5:59:47 PM
User Rank Urban Legend
Re: A herd of white elephants ....
@5thHorseman.... There is little doubt that FIFA is a self-serving and corrupt organisation. Unfortunately, as for the Olympics there are prominent snouts in the trough who benefit immensely, so it will take a long time to change. There are also benefits to the general population if done well. For a short time, London was a magical city during the Olympics, people we're immensely proud, helpful, courteous and there was a great 'Joie de vivre' (love of life) which is seldom present. However the legacy does not equal the 'spin' put upon it by those who we're selling the idea. In Brazil the reality is even further from the story told to sell the proposition to hold the World Cup there. Oh and by the way, you should know Qatar paid to have the World Cup held there .....a country where summer temperatures exceed 40 degrees C....impossible for playing football, but then if you have so much money you can snow ski all the year round why not play football in temperatures which exceed 40 degrees C or 100 degrees F. It's a mad, mad world.

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