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Terry Sweeney
Terry Sweeney  
2/27/2014 11:58:49 AM
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Re: Combustion alternatives
Thanks for your thoughtful reply, Projjal... like most of the challenges cities face these days, public transportation defies simple, one-size-fits-all solutions. Thanks for helping us understand where New York is with these issues and as well as some insight into your thinking about them.

gagnamstyle
gagnamstyle  
2/24/2014 10:47:21 AM
User Rank Burgher
Re: Combustion alternatives
Despite meaning to respond sooner (and indeed having done some research for it), I am only getting to this now.

Terry to your three points - hybrids do better in terms of longevit of the run. Because, as Pablo put it so nicely, hydrocarbon based fuels are still able to pack energy per unit volume / weight more efficiently than the most efficient batteries. Since hybrids utilize both batteries and fossil fuels, their range is longer. 

NYCT does have a CNG fleet. However, it is a myth that CNG is better for environment than other fossil fuels. For one the basica mechanism of converting fuel to motion is identical to other hydrocarbon based engines - internal combustion. And much of the reduced particulate and Greenhouse Gas Emission based virtues are not what they are made out to be, once the entire chain is considered. Here is a NY Times article from last week making that point:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/14/us/study-finds-methane-leaks-negate-climate-benefits-of-natural-gas.html?_r=0

Makabusi, you make some great point - the one about not discriminating between access challenged and general commuting population is a very good one. I personally support it. Once we start having separate systems, as history shows us again and again, they will not be equal.

Nicole, I personally apologize about the trying bus commute that you faced in the cold. Buses are strange creatures - unless they have their dedicated Rights Of Way (as Mary inferred), they are subject to the same trials and tribulations that general traffic is. In fact in rush hours putting more buses on the road only adds to the general congestion of traffic and makes everything move slower. Thankfully, at least in NYC, BRT miles are going up. Hopefully Mayor DeBlasio will continue his predecessors support for BRTs.

As a bus rider (very often the M60, that I take from Harlem where I live to LaGuardia), I am amazed by the bus-bunching that goes on mid-day. Anytime before 8 am and after 8pm, the bus shows up at my stop (Lenox Ave and 125th street) within a minute or two (max) of when the schedule says it should. However in the middle of the day with the traffic, double parking and all, two or even three buses will show up within eyesight of each other and then no bus will come for 20 minutes. Even though they leave their layup spots on time, traffic plays havoc with schedules.

Resurgent phoenix
Resurgent phoenix  
2/18/2014 9:06:34 PM
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Re: Bus Transit
http://www.wxyz.com/news/region/wayne-county/a-robotic-apparatus-being-tested-in-detroit-helps-paralyzed-firefighter-walk-again Check out the above article Sent from my iPad

Resurgent phoenix
Resurgent phoenix  
2/18/2014 9:06:30 PM
User Rank Burgher
Re: Bus Transit
http://www.wxyz.com/news/region/wayne-county/a-robotic-apparatus-being-tested-in-detroit-helps-paralyzed-firefighter-walk-again Check out the above article Sent from my iPad

Resurgent phoenix
Resurgent phoenix  
2/18/2014 9:01:36 PM
User Rank Burgher
Re: Bus Transit
What do you think about devices which you can roll your wheel chair on and it lifts like an elevator, glides into other transportation mode easy. I would like to see a design with automatic locks for safety during transport. With newly developed materials and technology like 3D printing I hope prothesis can be made to eliminate wheelchairs. A fire man was injured and a device that allowed him to walk. What is your opinion?

makabusi
makabusi  
2/18/2014 4:28:02 PM
User Rank Town Crier
Re: Bus Transit
Thanks again kindly for some very old information re buses and wheelchairs. This is still very clumsy for transitions into aircraft, trains and buses. Think "trimodal". That is seamlessly designing a ergonomic transition system for the impaired to gain access into all vehicles without the present physical hiccups and lockdowns. Let us use our collective imaginations to get further than "apartheid" petty incremental system improvements.

Resurgent phoenix
Resurgent phoenix  
2/17/2014 8:20:51 PM
User Rank Burgher
Re: Bus Transit
In our city we have wheel chair equipped buses, smaller buses for routes that do not transport a lot of passengers, double buses for heavy routes and some buses dedicated to the physically challenged picking the up at the door of entry and dropping them off at the door of the destination. I have ridden some buses with seat belts and a plug for electronic devices. I agree seat belts should be standard for all buses. Most of the buses have a back door for exit and a front door for entry.

Pablo Valerio
Pablo Valerio  
2/12/2014 7:42:27 AM
User Rank Blogger
Re: Bus Transit
Actually I was referring to the Tram systems used in many European cities, such as the one in Seville I wrote about

Barcelona has several Tram lines, and it is very efficient because they have their own lanes, but they are much more expensive to install and operate.

It is similar to light rail, and some of the trains are the same.

kq4ym
kq4ym  
2/11/2014 6:32:12 PM
User Rank Urban Legend
Re: Combustion alternatives
It does seem for the immediate future that gasoline in the U.S. is still the most economical fuel. At least for the original cost, it gives more output for the input cost. But, of course future costs and environment cost need to be factored in too. It does seem doubtful that the U.S. will be ready to change infrastructure anytime soon to utilize electric mass transiit bussing.

Nicole Ferraro
Nicole Ferraro  
2/11/2014 5:29:06 PM
User Rank Staff
Re: Bus Transit
Pablo, are you referring to light rail, then?

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