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Venks
Venks  
2/10/2014 9:47:40 PM
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@The5thHorseman: Oh! thanks for the link. This article throws light on many of the important points about the energy usage. Disasater preparedness is absolutely so important in todays world. All of these require lot of planning and execution is the key for the future.

Venks
Venks  
2/10/2014 9:39:02 PM
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@Resurgent phoenix: In some parts of the United Kingdom the standard design life is 40 years for new bitumen and concrete pavement. Maintenance is considered in the whole life cost of the road with service at 10, 20 and 30 year milestones.Roads can be and are designed for a variety of lives (8-, 15-, 30-, and 60-year designs). Virtually all roads require some form of maintenance before they come to the end of their service life.

The5thHorseman
The5thHorseman  
2/10/2014 6:09:19 PM
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Gagnamstyle,

"pitching for SUVs is like pitching for filter cigarettes"

I don't think you are understanding what I said. I am not advocating for SUV's, nor am I implying that they are safer by virtue of their attributes. Indeed, looking at the crash test history of these vehicles, anyone would see that they too have had their own safety challenges to overcome. Even these larger vehicles had to be re-engineered for safety. Their own weight and mass had to be calculated in to crash test equations, as well as that of the colliding object. All cars, regardless of their size or how environmentally friendly they are, or are not, must go through this process. Vehicle SAFETY is NOT an environmental or engergy conservation issue. You can build the most fuel efficient vehicle ever made, but if it crumples and injurs or kills its occupents whenever it is in a collision, then you have gone too far. Sacrificing the safety of the occupants to gain fuel efficiency or a higher "green" rating is foolish, NO MATTER WHAT SIZE OR CATEGORY THE CAR FALLS INTO.  I do not argue that if all cars on the road were "Smart cars" that the everyone might actually be safer. But that is NOT the world we live in, in the real world, there are large vans, trucks, SUV's, tractor trailers, U-haul's, etc... and all cars must be built to withstand collisions with these vehicles. The real world is not a paradigm, and a great many things are "framed incorrectly"... because we are human and we make bad choices... hence the state of our planet, as a whole. So, if you want to build a super-duper eco-car, then by all means do so... but build it to adequately  PROTECT THE OCCUPANTS. THEN you will have a winner that can convince the skeptic...

The5thHorseman
The5thHorseman  
2/10/2014 2:28:18 PM
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Venks,

Americans make up only 5% of the world's population and yet consume 20% of its energy!


You're right, America's energy consumption is appalling. However, not all of that statistic is a result of energy gluttony. Although there are bad habits such as those epitamized by the SUV's we have discussed, there is a larger problem in America that consumes far more energy then all of these bad habits combined. Electricity, for example, is delivered to users via an inaddequate and antiquated infrastructure that was designed in the late 1800's and never designed to carry the load it is carrying today. The energy loss realized by pushing electricity across this antiquated grid is staggering. Updating the grid with current technology and use of "smart grids" would would reduce our use of fuels for generating electricity dramatically. a good article on this is here;

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/smart-grids-could-fix-decrepit-us-power-grid/

A little off topic though...

gagnamstyle
gagnamstyle  
2/8/2014 1:04:49 AM
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Greetings from Delhi everyone,

Connectivity has been a challenge - hence the delayed response. 

To your point 5th Horseman about submarines and seas, pitching for SUVs is like pitching for filter cigarettes. Yes, a filtered cigarette may well be safer than a non-filtered one, but really? If the safety paradigm is framed incorrectly, as I believe IHS is doing, then it becomes a race to the bottom. We will, logically extending IHS line of thinking, end up with fleet full of SUV; which btw is a lot unsafer than a fleet with none. Bigger SUVs will emerge as 'safer' than smaller SUVs and eventually tanks (an Escalade or the larger Humvees are not a lot different than APCs) will emerge as even 'safer'. This is a crazy line of thinking. It has not served us well and its time to throw it out the window.

My point, in fact, is made ironically by another commentator. Who asks whether subcompacts, given their crash test data, should even be allowed on the roads? Aren't we losing the big picture perspective? Fleets with higher fraction of sub-compacts are safer, not less safe. No ifs ands or buts. 

I am absolutely delighted to see the debate that this post has generated. I look forward to many more passionate posts.

Resurgent phoenix
Resurgent phoenix  
2/6/2014 6:10:23 PM
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Another thing that will reduce energy consumption and ,improve safety is too build American roads with longer lasting materials and improving on road design and operation. A friend from Iraq visited me and ask me if I pay taxes...when I asked why he said your roads are terrible. That road had just been redone two years ago. I have friends from Europe who say their roads last much longer, is that true? Also doing many of the things I learned from this website would reduce accidents and automobile usage.

Venks
Venks  
2/6/2014 8:17:25 AM
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@The5thHorseman: Here I found another interesting article about the usage of energy resources by USA. Americans make up only 5% of the world's population and yet consume 20% of its energy!

Venks
Venks  
2/6/2014 8:10:24 AM
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 the other half... educating and convincing Americans to give up their oversized gashogs may actually be a grater challenge!

@The5thHorseman: You make another great and important point here. Even I have been curious about the high usage of energy by Americans on average. Below is the link to take you thru the energy consumption of some of the major countries from all over the world. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_energy_consumption

Its high time, all of us should be very conservative about our usage of limited resources otherwise future generations will feel the heat!

The5thHorseman
The5thHorseman  
2/4/2014 12:52:34 AM
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I agree. I would personally like for research and development to focus on making cars more efficient, more reliable, and not the bain they have been to the environment for the past 100 years. And I believe to do that, we must make them smaller, out of environmentally friendly and recycled materials, run on only clean fuels and energy sources,  and not sacrifice safety in the process. That's a tall order, and I believe American engineers can do it, with the right motivation. But that's only half the job, the other half... educating and convincing Americans to give up their oversized gashogs may actually be a grater challenge!

Venks
Venks  
2/4/2014 12:07:50 AM
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All vehicles in all classes must be able to operate on the same roads, and yes they are all going to have to survive collisions with each other.

@The5thHorseman: You have made an excellent point here. Yes, its an engineering problem here and its solved upto a certain extent but still there is a lot that still needs to be done here. A lot of R&D work is already going on in this regard. Tougher norms from IIHS/NCAP/NHTSA will perhaps drive engineers to come up with better products, although I personally dont believe that should only be the driving factor!

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