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California Ushers in New Rail Age

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gagnamstyle
gagnamstyle  
8/21/2013 3:44:50 PM
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Re: Rail
The shift to transit maybe more permanent than a mere mirror-image of an economic downturn. NPR today reported on a story that has been doing the rounds for a while, about Millenials choosing transit over the automobile. The centrally featured person in the story is a make-up artist in LA, who doesn't ride her car. I had blogged about it, right here, when the story first broke in the New York Times. 

There is certainly a shift toward transit happening. How significant, time will have to tell. 

Amy Rogers Nazarov
Amy Rogers Nazarov  
8/21/2013 3:31:50 PM
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Re: Rail
I never thought about the link between hard economic times and increased use of public transit, but of course, gagnamstyle. As real recovery happens, hiring increases, housing starts increase, and interest rates creep up, or whatever other indicator you want to refer to, do people really get off the bus and train and pop back into their cars? Or do the pluses of commuting by public transit - eg, reduced road rage, more reading time - tend to stick with folks?

gagnamstyle
gagnamstyle  
8/19/2013 3:50:57 PM
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Re: Rail
Amy Hi,

To answer your question, not as many Angelinos are taking transit as, say, New Yorkers or Washingtonians. But in the context of LA itself, ridership is up. Way up. Even in a struggling economy (ridership is very closely corelated to the economy), heavy rail ridership is up 5.55% and light rail ridership is up 17% inQ1 of 2013 as compared to the Q1 of last year! More data (and a sure cure for insomnia) here at the APTA's ridership report.

Amy Rogers Nazarov
Amy Rogers Nazarov  
8/15/2013 3:42:30 PM
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Re: Rail
Carless, I visited friends in Culver City a few years ago and SHOCKED them by getting a bus timetable, reading it and using it to get around. As the song goes, "nobody walks in L.A." Davedgreat, what makes you as a Californian think this time it will be different? DC and the state of Virginia have been in talks for decades about getting our Metro out to Dulles Airport. The construction is well underway, to be sure, but it took soo long here - and this is a population that makes heavy, heavy use of existing Metro trains. My sense is that a fraction of Angelenos ride the trains and buses there. Am I wrong?

Davedgreat2000
Davedgreat2000  
8/15/2013 3:24:34 PM
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Re: Rail
Hazel, from what I heard they were going to do just that, build a line that went directly to LAX but because taxis and bus lines and private limo companies would lose money they lobbied against the idea and won. So no line to LAX. One goes right near where i work in El Segundo about 5 minute drive to LAX but they really need one to go directly to the Airport. It would save so much on time due to L.A. Traffic.

I understand Santa Monica being the destination. its great for Tourists but having a line from LAX to Santa Monica and various other destinations would only help bring those tourist dollars into the Los Angeles Area. i would be much more user friendly as well.

Hazel
Hazel  
8/15/2013 12:26:56 PM
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Re: Rail
Good point, Dave. I definitely agree they should reconsider the destinations and stops. Do you think they considered the routes you proposed and decided against it? Or were they never really considered at all?

Nicole Ferraro
Nicole Ferraro  
8/15/2013 12:22:05 PM
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Re: Rail
Davedgreat: Oh I totally am with you there. How could they not extend this to LAX? Makes no sense to me. (Indeed, I recall a request for light rail extension to LAX being in one of the letters sent to Urban Santa back in December...)

Davedgreat2000
Davedgreat2000  
8/15/2013 9:04:36 AM
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Re: Rail
Nicole, you are correct. it will take at least 10 or more years to get done. but for me the main issue is not building the tunnels, but where they are heading too. this one planned route under the rich homes will only go to Santa Monica, it will not go to LAX International Airport. We should have a subway to the sea but link it up to the Airports. That will releave some congestion along the freeways and local roads.

Nicole Ferraro
Nicole Ferraro  
8/14/2013 5:22:12 PM
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Re: Rail
Davedgreat: It's crazy to me that there should be any opposition to expansion of rail and subway in California. But it seems like things will progress, despite the complaints from the rich crowd. It may take the next 10 years, but we have to start somewhere.

Mary Jander
Mary Jander  
8/13/2013 5:55:32 PM
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Re: Rail
@Daved: I too welcome rail links between cities, in California and elsewhere. My hope is for more, more, more! With air travel largely a nightmare, I think the return to earth could not be timed better. And what a great way to get folk to start looking at the beauties of the rest of the country.

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