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sunshine
sunshine  
1/24/2014 2:17:05 PM
User Rank Urban Legend
Re: Jan Gehl and Cycle Skyways
Hi Rich, Much hilarity at the Hackney Empire last night when Jan Gehl showed Foster's idea for Cycle Skyways. There didn't seem to be anyone who thought the idea was much more than a joke.  Excellent talk and film 'The Human Scale' ....did you attend?

sunshine
sunshine  
1/16/2014 12:40:15 PM
User Rank Urban Legend
Re: Boris speaks!
Er, yes ...and think of the 'land take' required by a ramp for a bicycle!

...and as a follow up, perhaps Space Syntax do know better ...... 

http://qz.com/166260/elevated-bike-highways-are-not-americas-future-nor-should-they-be/#166260/elevated-bike-highways-are-not-americas-future-nor-should-they-be/

richheap
richheap  
1/16/2014 12:06:48 PM
User Rank Staff
Re: Boris speaks!
They'd get back on to the ground via ramps, but not sure how you could easily integrate those into the street network. This idea came out with new pictures on 29 December and has a bit of the between-Christmas-and-New-Year silly season about it.

sunshine
sunshine  
1/16/2014 12:00:17 PM
User Rank Urban Legend
Re: Boris speaks!
Rich, You're quite right, this silly proposal would simply replicate all those dreadful decisions of the 60s to elevate the pedestrians out of the way of motor traffic.

Fortunately there's no chance of this becoming reality. Network Rail would never sanction such a proposal; think of the constructional and maintenance issues, before you even start considering how the cycles get back to ground level.

Even if this insurmountable obstacle could be overcome I'm in total agreement with you and others. You've covered all the 'cons' very well..... and I don't imagine Sir Norman is convinced either. These proposals are simply a way of keeping the firm's name in the public eye.  It's interesting to see Boris is vetoing this idea given their strong links on the Estuary Airport Hub, but very disappointing to see Space Syntax have added their name to the proposers, they really do know better.  

Mary Jander
Mary Jander  
1/7/2014 12:46:46 PM
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Re: Raise high the cycleways!
Interesting observations all round. I am probably guilty of keeping my heat too high, but I hate working in the cold. I do note that many people do keep their household heat lower than I do.

Perhaps I need some sheeps wool slippers too.

richheap
richheap  
1/7/2014 10:57:46 AM
User Rank Staff
Re: Raise high the cycleways!
Well if all other factors are the same then it must come down to cultural differences. I know that I've been brought up not to be wasteful - food, energy, money etc. - but I don't know if that's a national trait or a quirk of my family. Based on Toby's argument earlier then it could well be a bit of both.

richheap
richheap  
1/7/2014 10:55:17 AM
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Re: Boris speaks!
Yes, I agree with Boris too, though it'll be interesting to see if any big names come out of the woodwork to argue against him. In the meantime, I hope he gets on with doing all those things that he says needs to be done.

Mary Jander
Mary Jander  
1/7/2014 10:51:27 AM
User Rank Staff
Re: Raise high the cycleways!
It was back in the 1980s. But energy costs then were high as well.

Still, energy costs are high here in the US and Canada and still we're warmer!

Nicole Ferraro
Nicole Ferraro  
1/7/2014 10:50:43 AM
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Boris speaks!
I was just reading that Boris Johnson has essentially shot down the idea of a Cycle Skyway. Here's what he said on his radio show: "It would be fantastically expensive. I don't actually think as a cyclist it is what the city needs, what we need is more safety measures, we need better roads, we need better protection for cyclists of all kinds, we need better investment in our streets and that's what we're doing, and better education for cyclists and lorry drivers."

Must say, I actually agree with Boris on this one.

Nicole Ferraro
Nicole Ferraro  
1/7/2014 10:08:59 AM
User Rank Staff
Re: Raise high the cycleways!
Yes, we Americans do tend to overdo it with our artificial heating and cooling... particularly cooling. Visit New York in the summer and be prepared to freeze your ass off anytime you go indoors.

But, it's 4 degrees (F) in NYC at the moment, and I'm sitting beside a radiator and a space heater... so I can't really talk.

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