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Amsterdam Gives Alcoholics Beer to Clean City

Rich Heap, Community Editor, Future Cities
Thursday, November 21, 2013 05:00 EST

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moomin-mashka
moomin-mashka  
11/25/2013 6:28:36 PM
User Rank City Slicker
Re: One small step
Well, I think, it's much more kind and better for society to give drugs to people and make them work instead of waiting till the commite a crime to get the money.But this is a very complicated question, that  goes beyound the text discussion. And I truly don't know, the aswer. If it's good or bad in a long term perspective.

Nicole Ferraro
Nicole Ferraro  
11/25/2013 3:42:54 PM
User Rank Staff
Re: One small step
I see your point, Rich. I don't know, this strikes me as a tough one. You know, there are organizations that set up shop to give out clean needles to drug addicts. In a way, you could call that enabling, but I actually see it as a positive method of help. So this experiment in Amsterdam could technically fall under the same heading. I don't know, I have mixed feelings on this!

richheap
richheap  
11/25/2013 7:57:33 AM
User Rank Staff
Re: One small step
Thanks for clarifying, moomin-mashka. I was really playing devil's advocate as I couldn't tell if you thought it was a good idea or not.

The reason I ask is that, if some of my British countryfolk wrote a comment like that, I'd expect it to be accompanied with eye rolling and snorts of derision.

moomin-mashka
moomin-mashka  
11/25/2013 7:40:55 AM
User Rank City Slicker
Re: One small step
@ richheap

No, I didn't say that. It's an ethical question, and I don't know the answer.

It just reminded me of Interstate 60: Episodes of The Road- movie- an episode with Euphoria drug. 

 

richheap
richheap  
11/25/2013 4:24:22 AM
User Rank Staff
Re: One small step
@moomin-mashka: And would that be a bad thing?

richheap
richheap  
11/25/2013 4:21:53 AM
User Rank Staff
Re: Enabling Bad Behavior? Give Me A Drink
@kq4ym: It seems to me that the cleaning work is the behaviour modification programme. If it stops these people from causing trouble while getting drunk in the park, or drinking as much as they otherwise would, then that is making a difference to their behaviour.

richheap
richheap  
11/25/2013 4:18:04 AM
User Rank Staff
Re: One small step
@Nicole: I don't see that this is exploitative, Nicole. The alcoholics aren't being forced to do this work. Sure, they're being given alcohol as an incentive to do it but don't see the problem if this is what it takes to help them to gain a sense of self-worth and interact more with a charity that could help them.

moomin-mashka
moomin-mashka  
11/25/2013 12:02:55 AM
User Rank City Slicker
Re: One small step
Well, I suspect the next program might be  Amsterdam gives  drug addicts drugs to clean the city...

CitySolver
CitySolver  
11/24/2013 4:20:03 PM
User Rank Blogger
beer money
I see your point about the novelty wearing off. However I think the idea of structuring the day of someone and giving them something worthwhile to do could help some of these people beat alcoholism slowly but surely. If all else has failed then its at least a place to begin giving people a sense of community and a little crack of daylight to work towards. Time will tell!

kq4ym
kq4ym  
11/24/2013 12:35:34 PM
User Rank Urban Legend
Enabling Bad Behavior? Give Me A Drink
I can't see how this program could possibly work, except perhaps in the very short term because of the novelty of the idea.

Rewarding bad behavior with perhaps the cause of the behavior to begin with, is just not workable. There surely has to be some sort of behavior modification plan associated to make this even close to making it beneficial.

The aloholics will love it, at least for a while, when they get tired of working for diluted beer.

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