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Lesthertod
Lesthertod  
5/28/2013 4:09:46 PM
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Re: Household monitors
It should be interesting to see if there's any direct influence on how the solutions could be provided where the community is more active. Including as you point (and going back to the topic) the town centre and shopping areas, considering local business and such.

And yes, seems that they do the same decisions everywhere. Specially with christmas ornaments! :P

Davedgreat2000
Davedgreat2000  
5/28/2013 3:31:27 PM
User Rank Urban Legend
Re: Innovative Public Transport
i'm thinking that if they did put these in front of stores on the sidewalk, they would be opn on the sides so one just walked on or off at any point. maybe they would have some precautions on it, short side rails until the next store front then open then more side rails then open etc etc. But I dont like the idea at all. Let people walk...dont be lazy.

richheap
richheap  
5/28/2013 1:37:34 PM
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Re: Innovative Public Transport
When I lived in London I was always the one walking but now, like you, I'm happy to enjoy the ride about half the time. Now I don't live in a big city, I have far less exposure to lifts and escalators than I used to. I'm also yet to perfect the art of emailing while walking, but I'm getting there.

Nicole Ferraro
Nicole Ferraro  
5/28/2013 12:57:06 PM
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Re: Innovative Public Transport
I must say that envisioning moving sidewalks in actual cities sent me to a pretty dark place.  I'm not sure what the benefits would be, and if we're going to add mechanical infastructure to our city streets, I'd rather it be for trams/light-rail, things like that.

Amy Rogers Nazarov
Amy Rogers Nazarov  
5/28/2013 12:42:24 PM
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Re: Innovative Public Transport
Hi Richheap: Sometimes I'm the cat standing there reading. Sometimes I'm the person rushing by on the left.

I saw you called this an escalator, and I thought, well, no way, that's a moving sidewalk, where are the steps? But you are right, of course... escalating is happening to the riders, and people sure seem to flock to it even though they could take those low stairs on the right.

Smart phone users probably love the chance to move without effort as the short ride allows them to finish a Tweet or what have you  :-)

Amy Rogers Nazarov
Amy Rogers Nazarov  
5/28/2013 12:33:20 PM
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Re: Innovative Public Transport
I could not agree more, Davedgreat!

Two other things come to mind: a) the problems we have in DC with our subway escalators *constantly* breaking down, often to due to weather-related exposure, and how a moving sidewalk would arguably be even more problematic since there will be so much more sheer space to protect (covered moving sidewalks? Oy vay.)

b) Say a moving sidewalk carried pedestrians (who may not even be ped-ing at that moment, but I digress) down a block past a dozen storefronts. Don't you think that those folks who happen to rent or lease space mid-block, furthest from the on/off points of the moving sidewalk, a decision that sure seemed sound in the pre-moving sidewalk days, would grumble about potential lost business? I might be willing to double back half a block, but I know others who would go to the sandwich place nearest the egress from the moving sidewalk. Exits off the moving sidewalk in front of each store - well, that sounds insane. 

Moving sidewalks at the airport - YAY

Moving sidewalks in my 'hood - NAY

 

 

CitySolver
CitySolver  
5/28/2013 11:17:18 AM
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spendthrift
I think thats an important point I missed, that people who use public transport can actually spend more on average than car users. It's short sighted to think only car users spend, afterall it's the people who use public transport that have more disposable income, precisely because they don't use a car, in cities at least.

richheap
richheap  
5/26/2013 2:26:04 AM
User Rank Staff
Re: Household monitors
In the UK, community involvement like that in public spaces isn't the norm: some areas will have active local groups but others won't.

I should also point out that the discussion was more about town centre shopping streets rather than suburban residential streets: people would tend to get more engaged when things are proposed for the street where they live (which is as much about protecting home values as community mindedness).

But as far as I'm aware, most decisions about street furniture are made by council bean-counters, which may explain how most areas resort to the same solutions.

Lesthertod
Lesthertod  
5/25/2013 8:37:03 PM
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Household monitors
I'm somehow confused regarding the second element, the city is looking to have more identity by having different styles and such. However, isn't something that most of the suburbs (at least for what I've seen in the US) have some community council that decides among many other things, what kind of image the street has? Meaning: banned colors, no statues, lightbulbs of specific watts/colour.

Almost certain that it is just part of a joke, but some say that they even measure the grass and the garden fences!

 

I'm pretty sure that as far as the downtown rules the city has got word. But what will happen on those kind of residential areas?

richheap
richheap  
5/24/2013 4:52:48 PM
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Re: Innovative Public Transport
I'll be sure to post any more videos I see of moving walkways. If that doesn't make this holiday weekend great, nothing will!

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