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Resurgent phoenix
Resurgent phoenix  
2/17/2014 7:53:46 PM
User Rank Burgher
Re: Is past at war with the present?
Ramon, I agree names and words are very important and effect the outcome in many ways. It is said if you do not know history you will repeat past mistakes!

stotheco
stotheco  
2/11/2014 1:14:27 AM
User Rank Urban Legend
Re: Is past at war with the present?
This has happened, time and again. As Ramon has pointed out, it will be a case where history repeats itself. You can fight to preserve something that is invaluable but not in the monetary sense. However, the money will come calling and eventually those memories will be sold in exchange for cash.

Mary Jander
Mary Jander  
2/10/2014 3:11:46 PM
User Rank Staff
Re: Is past at war with the present?
Very moving, RamonAntonio. Thanks for these wise thoughts!

RamonAntonio
RamonAntonio  
2/10/2014 2:45:38 PM
User Rank Village Voice
Re: Is past at war with the present?
Thanks!

Words have inherent power. Names have in addition... the power of LIFE!

Life entrusted by the namer...

Life becoming Alive by the named...

Thus, everything we name is entrusted with part of our own life and its own...

That's why we are history as history is the story of the namer and the named, the story of his... His story which is part ours by our naming and part his by being named...

History...

Present can never be ruined by history but further enlived by its embrace, its voice that calls our name. For we are the name they left for us somewhere in their hearts beneath the dust that blankets their dreams in their sleep. We must respect that as their legacy even though we never met alive, but surely will in the next beginning...

Mary Jander
Mary Jander  
2/10/2014 2:25:19 PM
User Rank Staff
Re: Is past at war with the present?
You made a brilliant comment worth remembering, RamonAntonio:

"That everything has its own place and its own story, thus has to nemed to be treated with respect and with direct attention to its nature which, as God said, deservs a proper and own name. It is not the namer who has the power over the named, but the reverse, the named are the ones who deserve respect for being named, thus recognized as SOMETHING ELSE than dust"

RamonAntonio
RamonAntonio  
2/10/2014 1:40:28 PM
User Rank Village Voice
Re: Is past at war with the present?
Don't expect a legal argument in favor of dead poets... They don't pay in cash to lawyers. Developers do...

Your comment is as good as it gets in favor of history so keep on it!

RamonAntonio
RamonAntonio  
2/10/2014 1:38:42 PM
User Rank Village Voice
Re: Is past at war with the present?
The fact is that if we open a history Atlas we'll find almost all possibilities or suspects of previous settlements almost anywhere in the world.

Just yesterday I was watching a show where an archeologist noticed that a reknowned investigator visited our island and found a lot of settlements exactly where they were suspected to be. HE didn't found one suspected to be in a place he visited but made a note that it was strange that it was not evident. Decades later a constrution project revealde that 3 foot beneath the same place was the settlement. Today it is a mopst valuable indian plaza rstored to its former majesty.

The past, almost like the spirits that made it alive, is exactly where it was before. We just don't see it. But we should keep looking...

RamonAntonio
RamonAntonio  
2/10/2014 1:33:48 PM
User Rank Village Voice
Re: Is past at war with the present?
Its the same attitude. That's why I say it may be cultural which is akin to say almost genetical. Our present society has anchored its operations on the principle of Total Dominion. It seems a joke when atteists cry wolf to God when in fact all society acts as God ourselves in regards of almost everything.

You a re right in the connection and it is an important one. If we begin to make a case to the fact that we are projecting our damagind same attitudes to all areas of human presence maybe we can start a holistic approach to our relation with Gaia, mother Earth or else the name we give it. After all, in the Bible, God said man to name everything. MAybe its time to realize what that meant... 

That everything has its own place and its own story, thus has to nemed to be treated with respect and with direct attention to its nature which, as God said, deservs a proper and own name. It is not the namer who has the power over the named, but the reverse, the named are the ones who deserve respect for being named, thus recognized as SOMETHING ELSE than dust.

Nicole Ferraro
Nicole Ferraro  
2/10/2014 1:24:34 PM
User Rank Staff
Re: Is past at war with the present?
"Our present culture acts as if we own everything at sight for our own use."

Glad you said this, as this is my number one problem with a separate issue -- desalination, that is, the process of turning ocean water into drinking water. This practice is commonly suggested as an answer to water shortages, but it troubles me that humans are now looking at the ocean as though that water is theirs for the taking and not considering that we're just about to make the same mistakes on the water as we have on land.

Not to derail the conversation... but it felt like a relevant connection to make.

kq4ym
kq4ym  
2/10/2014 12:15:35 PM
User Rank Urban Legend
Re: Is past at war with the present?
It is a tricky situation. But, there has to be some forewarning when developers try to dig a site know to probably be historical. It would be interesting to see if some legal argument could be made for paying the "original" owners some sort of reparations. I don't have any idea how that could be done, but it seems we owe some debt to the original societies and settlers who may have lost the lands in various dubious ways.

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