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Mary Jander
Mary Jander  
1/15/2014 1:33:37 PM
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Re: Ancient biblical "call" still current
We're all hitting on one of the biggest reasons for separation of church and state, no? Unless we can support freedom of religion as emanating from a secular state, I think we're asking for trouble.

Mary Jander
Mary Jander  
1/15/2014 1:29:02 PM
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Re: Ancient biblical "call" still current
I agree, hfreeman17, on not establishing environmental policies on ideology. That's so important. At the same time, it's great if the world's religious traditions help to fuel a partiality to caring for the planet and those on it.

Davedgreat2000
Davedgreat2000  
1/14/2014 3:25:51 PM
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Re: Ancient biblical "call" still current
Makes sense to me

stotheco
stotheco  
1/14/2014 2:52:05 PM
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Re: Ancient biblical "call" still current
You are right, Dave. Personally, I think religion speaks to those who believe in their certain faith. I think the core of most religions is to teach people compassion, love, with or without that belief in higher beings. That said, there has to be a certain respect towards others who believe in something else. 

I also don't think it's an all-encompassing body that can dictate what is right or wrong, and what is acceptable or not. It's a religion, a set of beliefs, that you can choose to accept or reject, without doing so to the entire religion. I hope that made sense.

richheap
richheap  
1/14/2014 12:12:22 PM
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Re: Not Catholic, but...
I agree, wbalthrop. He seems much better than the last one! I'm not Catholic (or religious) but, if I say nice things about the Pope, would that help me get my child into a good Catholic school?

Davedgreat2000
Davedgreat2000  
1/13/2014 3:19:34 PM
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Re: Ancient biblical "call" still current
Hfreeman17, not saying you were preaching, I liked what you said. I'm just saying in general i dont like being preached too as it being an absolute as in the church does. if they say science is wrong and dont take the other point of view we revert back to the dark ages.

I think the church is there to save our souls, and should be used to teach the word of God not we have to do this or do that to save this or not save that. We have a lot of that already by todays media (major news outlets).

 

hfreeman17
hfreeman17  
1/13/2014 2:22:54 PM
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Re: Ancient biblical "call" still current
Davedgreat2000, if you were referring to my most recent post as "preaching," please forgive me. My intent was not to preach or come across as preachy.

I was expressing my own experience within the Christian tradition, which has formed a long history of weighing in on almost every issue--including the environment--and has been wrong at times and has been "right" at times.

My point here is that Mary was pointing to something that many Christians who are close readers of the Bible know: that people who believe in the God of the Bible *must* have care for and respect for the environment, because it's our mandate. This isn't preaching; this is simply a reminder to fellow "believers" to act on what they say they believe in.

I agree with you that nothing should be crammed down people's throats. In sum: I think the Pope is emphasizing some very core things that most of us--"believers" or not--can stand alongside each other on and find common ground on. Urban sustainability is one of them.

Davedgreat2000
Davedgreat2000  
1/13/2014 1:48:23 PM
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Re: Ancient biblical "call" still current
First of all, I dont like being preached too and told what I should or should not think. I make up my own mind as to Faith, Religion, science and facts. i do my homework. I'm not against talking about the enviroment but when i'm told this or that is an absolute 100% fact and we dont hear all sides, its bunk to me.

yes we need to work together to clean up the environment, get clean water, soil and air. We have to stop GMO foods and all the artificial ingrediants in foods these days. We have to teach our kids and families that th eenvironment is important because its all we have, there are no other plantets out there that we can get to and live without living in a dome of some sort and thats very risky.

We should talk about it everywhere we can but to use religion and the pulpit to say In the name of the Lord you will Recycle, not litter not do this or that and you will do this or that, is going overboard in my opinion. heck they already cram this stuff down our childrens throats in schools.

hfreeman17
hfreeman17  
1/13/2014 10:06:08 AM
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Re: Ancient biblical "call" still current
Agreed.  Oddly, my own tradition (evangelical Protestantism) reacted negatively some years back to a proposed change in emphasis by the National Association of Evangelicals to including environmentalism as a core focus. They wanted to continue emphasize abortion, gay rights, etc., which the Pope I think rightly wants to deemphasize.

My concern with environmentalism, as I mentioned elsewhere on a post by Nicole, is that we remain data and science driven and not ideology driven.  We can make a difference in childhood asthma, for instance, through local initiatives and by controlling things like zoning for factories, warehouses, and incinerators.

Whether we can make a difference globally and over centuries and millenia to come through other and more sweeping "initiatives" and policy-making... I'm dubious.

Mary Jander
Mary Jander  
1/13/2014 9:59:34 AM
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Re: First Real Pope
Piratejulie, I agree with you on all points here. The fact that we are surprised to have as pope a good man who cares about the fundamentals of Christianity speaks volumes. "What, a pope who preaches the Gospel as it's written? What's up with THAT?!"

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