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Hazel
Hazel  
12/9/2013 6:58:53 AM
User Rank Urban Legend
Re: BRT vs Express
In my country, we don't have proper buses with routes. Instead, buses are for long range commutes and we have modified jeep-like vehicles with two rows of seats that take the place of buses (since these have routes.)

As you'd expect, traffic is a nightmare.

Hazel
Hazel  
12/9/2013 6:57:36 AM
User Rank Urban Legend
Re: BRT vs Express
If this technology were here in my country, I'd imagine there would be an unending line of people who will be paying their fines. There is that many people here who disregard traffic lights and laws on a very frequent basis!

Mary Jander
Mary Jander  
12/5/2013 9:53:51 AM
User Rank Staff
Re: BRT vs Express
Great point about emergency vehicles, @mejiac. And I KNEW there was a good reason for having those traffic cameras!

Nicole Ferraro
Nicole Ferraro  
12/4/2013 5:09:17 PM
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Re: BRT
Susan, glad you pointed out the potential long-term costs of BRT. I would think that the long-term costs of BRT would be larger than those of light rail; and that light rail is the better option overall. But in today's world, it's rare that decision makers think long term, because making investments of any kind (especially in cities) is tough enough.

mejiac
mejiac  
12/4/2013 3:12:33 PM
User Rank Village Voice
Re: BRT vs Express
@Mary Jander,

 

The answer is: all of the above,

Sadly in that city respect for traffic laws is very low, mainly due to the ease you can get away from not being fined.

Because of that, the BRT services do struggle with major traffic congestion.

Here in the US, this can easilly be mitigated using the same technology for capturing license plates when crossing a red light.

An additional note... the BRT lanes could also serve the dual purposes of allowing emergency vehicles quick access to getting to the point of emergency.

Mary Jander
Mary Jander  
12/4/2013 1:55:21 PM
User Rank Staff
Re: BRT vs Express
Thanks, mejiac! Interesting that there was a lack of yielding the dedicated lanes. Was that on the part of cars, cyclists, other buses?

mejiac
mejiac  
12/4/2013 1:43:03 PM
User Rank Village Voice
Re: BRT vs Express
@Mary Jander

Great Article!

I actually know of some third world countries that have these systems in place, and after a couple of years its acceptance grew to becoming the main source for public transportation (the main hurdle being other transients respecting the dedicated lane.

I do agree that BRT systems would be more efficient, specially in cities that lack a current decent system, that doesn't take hours to get anywhere.

I would definilty try them out if it could guarantee a decent commute (that doesn't imply being at the bus stop at 4 am to get to work by 8 am)

Terry Sweeney
Terry Sweeney  
12/4/2013 1:00:21 PM
User Rank Blogger
Re: BRT
$3.5 million per mile versus $180 million per mile for bus vs light rail construction? Holy crap! Urban planners, city councils, and the electorates that must approve the ballot measures and bond issues are certainly going to look hard and fast at those numbers before plunging ahead, especially in this environment when funds are scarce and the ability to borrow is so stunted.

Mary Jander
Mary Jander  
12/4/2013 9:55:13 AM
User Rank Staff
Re: BRT
Susan, I posted my message to Terry below before really seeing yours comparing express buses to BRT. Thank you for sharing that information. It seems that BRT is indeed faster than express buses that still compete with regular traffic.

As to the long-term advantages of light rail, I hear you and I think your points are extremely compelling. These days, though, everyone seems to be grabbing at short-term gains, even regarding sustainability, since the longer outlook is so uncertain.

Mary Jander
Mary Jander  
12/4/2013 9:51:36 AM
User Rank Staff
Re: BRT vs Express
I'm going to take a chance on saying yes, BRT is more efficient than express buses, simply because BRT has dedicated lanes. Express buses sometimes do, too, but they still encounter the traffic issues on main roadways.

As a former rider on NYC commuter express buses, I'd love to compare them with what you've got in LA.

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